The questioner: Counsel assisting the Commissioner
The respondent: Archbishop Herft
Reference to: CKA, a victim of sexual abuse as a child
Q. Are you familiar with the words in the gospel of Matthew, 18:4-6?
A. I am - if you are asking me to remember the actual words, please, please would you help me? Yes.
Q. Yes. Starting at 4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Q. Then 5: And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Q. Then 6: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Q. Those are words attributed to Jesus?
Q. A man with a reputation for compassion and forgiveness?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You would agree that those are very strong words?
A. They are.
Q. Do you accept that at no stage did you show, in relation to Mr [CKA] and his complaints, that level of outrage?